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steam yes, by all means
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At 572F nitrous oxide breaks down to nitrogen and oxygen?http://members.aol.com /agspeed/nos.htm#1 :?
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thereabouts, it's a temp/pressure combination.
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With any technology that exists today, gaseous oxygen is not obtainable from water. Unless you have an unlimited cheap access to lightning :shock:
The main problem is that is takes so much more energy to create O2, than you could reap from it. It can be done, but it escalates fuel cost.
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You don't need more oxygen to get more expandion.
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I wish I had read this thread earlier.
I would like to try an H2O2 setup. I can't see running it being much more of a problem than running water. The real problem is going to be simply storing it so that it doesn't give up those extra oxygen molecules. I also haven't located any sources yet (I've yet to even try) but I've been told you can get "food grade" h2o2 relatively cheap, which is 60%. I'm thinking the net result of adding H2O2 to the combustion chamber will be an immediate release of the extra oxgyen, and the resulting water flashing to steam... a nice combination of the two things we're trying to accomplish (add oxgyen and further expansion). I'd be injecting it as close to the head as possible. I wanted to try a dual setup, pre-turbo water with meth injection at the TB. Now I'm thinking of doing direct-port H2O2 instead of the meth. It'll certainly be easier and probably cheaper to get H2O2. My goal is to eliminate the intercooler. For the pre-compressor setup, I plan on building a tank to store in the engine bay. That way, the tank will be at ambient engine bay temps, pretty warm, and should give better atomization. There is a wealth of information nuggets in this thread and a lot of stuff I either didn't know or hadn't considered before. I hope we can keep the discussion going. As far as the superoxygenated water goes, it certainly makes sense to me to pressurize the tank with oxygen, but only if it's a cost-effective solution (which it probably isn't) because I think it's been shown it won't make too much of a difference. |
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So... about that H202 stuff.
Has anyone tried using that 6% solution to see if it acts as a catalyst? I.E Faster fuel ignition with the help of water as pre-ignition buffer? Back in the days of making rocket fuel 1% red iron oxide would tremendously change the burn rate of our propellant. I can only imagine if H202 would have a similar effect in I.C.E engines |
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I will be very interested to hear the results. Not sure what it will do to the wetted components along the way. H2O2 is a very powerful oxidant.
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